Do you recognize Josephine? ( Josephine Frendenberg Guhr or Mrs. Ernst Guhr II) She is on the right..now who is the gal with her in this photo..a sister..a cousin..a friend? This looks very 1895 ish to me..with the huge “leg of mutton sleeves” since we know that she (Josephine) was married on December 21, 1895..this could have been taken right around that time. I so want to see the rest of those dresses…
Now we have another name..Mrs. Fred Schreiber ( hopefully it is spelled correctly..it looks like part of it was erased and corrected). This is a cabinet card. EK (Elbridge) Barker was active as a photographer at 468 Eleventh Ave in Milwaukee from 1870 to 1900. He was quite a traveler..he was born in Vermont in 1835, lived in Milwaukee from 1870 to 1900 then moved to California where he died at age 75 in 1910. It was interesting to read that he lived on a Van Buren Street in both Milwaukee and in Monterey, CA. What are the odds of that happening.
Thanks for stopping by, do come again:)
Update from Iggy!
Hold the presses - I found a marriage record for Frederic Scheiber of Greenfield, Milwaukee marrying Bertha Freudenberg (parents Charles and Amalie) on 21-Sep-1889 in Milwaukee, WI.
Freudenberg - Hmm... sisters? Adolphine's (Josephine) wedding record says her parents were Karl and Amalie Freudenberg - Chas - Charles and Karl are the same in German!
Sisters. 99% positive!
How sad. In the 1920 census, Bertha is shown as living with the "in-laws" and divorced.
She had at least two children living with her at the time. Carl Schreiber (b. abt 1894) and Hallie Schreiber (b. 1903)
So these are sisters..Bertha and Josephine..their Mother must have really enjoyed this photo!:)
This photo is headed to Josephine's Great Grandson Ed on December 20, 2010:)
This Photo is Full Circle 17 on December 26, 2010
I think Schreiber is correct, it is a very usual german last name...
ReplyDeleteI would love to see those dresses too
ReplyDeleteHold the presses - I found a marriage record for Frederic Scheiber of Greenfield, Milwaukee marrying Bertha Freudenberg (parents Charles and Amalie) on 21-Sep-1889 in Milwaukee, WI.
ReplyDeleteFreudenberg - Hmm... sisters? Adolphine's (Josephine) wedding record says her parents were Karl and Amalie Freudenberg - Chas - Charles and Karl are the same in German!
Sisters. 99% positive!
How sad. In the 1920 census, Bertha is shown as living with the "in-laws" and divorced.
She had at least two children living with her at the time. Carl Schreiber (b. abt 1894) and Hallie Schreiber (b. 1903)
Interesting dates on Carl's birth year and their marriage date.
Good work Iggy! Adolphine instead of Josephine? Do you think that is a misspelling, or she just always went by her middle name? Adolphine Josephine Freusdenberg would be a tough name to spit out! That intrigues me to do some further research. :-) ~Abra
ReplyDeleteI found this interesting enough to post - For those that search for their ancestors - spelling was never a "strong" point in the census records - if a name can be spelled in an alternate form (valid or mispelled) it may be done that way.
ReplyDeleteNotice in 1880, Charles A Freudenberg was "Carl" and his wife Amalie is "Amelia" and Josephine is spelled "Adolphine".
United States Census, 1880 for Carl Freudenberg
Residence: Milwaukee, Milwaukee, Wisconsin
Birthdate: 1844
Birthplace: Germany
Spouse's Name: Amelia (Peters) Freudenberg
Spouse's Birthplace: Germany
Race or Color (Expanded): White
Age: 36 years
Occupation: Brewer
Household Gender Age
Carl Freudenberg M 36
Spouse Amelia Freudenberg F 37
Child Bertha Freudenberg F 9
Child Julius Freudenberg M 7
Child Adolphine Freudenberg F 4
August Peters M 67
In 1900, "Carl F." is listed as Charles Freudenbery (the final "g" is recorded as a "y")
The wedding records lists him as Chas and Karl with the "K". This makes the man a bit slippery when searching for him.
At any rate, he was a Milwaukee Brewer!
"Josephine"
ReplyDeleteWisconsin Marriages record -
Groom's Name: Ernst Guhr
Groom's Birthplace: Muskego Center, Wis.
Bride's Name: Adolphine Freudenberg
1900 US Census - Phenia
1905 WI Census - Tina
1910 US Census - Finie
1920 US census - Josephine
Birth record for Florens Guhr lists her as Adolfine Trendenberg!
Ummm... I think "Finie" works for me.
Iggy---you just saved me a whole lot of posting!! I also found it interesting that Adolphine-Josephine had so many first names. Another point when searching records that have been transcribed--indexes, such as ancestry.com may have the name spelled wrong because the transcriber can't read the handwriting, but when I go to look at the name on the original image, it is spelled as it should be. Of course, when I am searching for someone, I generally already know their name, where the transcribers are just working with what is in front of them.
ReplyDeleteThe more searching you do, the easier it gets, because you have witnessed the same type of mispellings and reasons for them multiple times, so you just keep trying different terms in the search engines until you find what you are looking for!
In the 1880 census, August Peters is the father-in-law of Carl. I also found Carl died in May 20th, 1907.
I am curious about Carl's wedding record being in Wisconsin, or did you find it elsewhere? I ask this because it appears Bertha was born in Germany according to the 1880 census, while the brother Julius and sister Adolphina were born in Wisconsin. Do you think they got married after Bertha's birth? I have found, in some cases, that people got married after they arrived in the U.S. One reason I have heard for this was they couldn't afford to pay the cost to be married in Germany. I do not know how valid this is. ~Abra
Abra, when I mentioned Chas/Carl/Karl's wedding records I meant those of his two daughters where he is listed as the Bride's father. Sorry for the confusion. I don't know when he married umm... "Finie". :)
ReplyDeleteAs for Finie changing her name - I suspect the anti-German propaganda leading up to the US involvement in WWI caused her to "de-Germanize". Wisconsin was home to a great many of German descent and there were some fears that they wouldn't support the US position in the war. A fear that was greatly unfounded and the lesson unlearned when the US rounded up the Japanese decendents during WWII at a tragic cost in human terms.
I loved the photos, but the comments above had me riveted to. Amazing stuff! Congratulations on your 400th photo. :-)
ReplyDeleteWhat amazes me is how much we can learn from a single old photo...a picture is truly worth a thousand words! :-) ~Abra
ReplyDeleteInteresting lesson.
ReplyDeleteLove it - it is like the thrill of the chase. If only those two girls had known how they would feature in an blog mystery in 120 years. They would have been thrilled and fascinated I think.
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